Comments on: Next steps & screenshot http://blog.ngedit.com/2005/08/10/next-steps-screenshot/ A blog on the development of the NGEDIT text editor Wed, 07 Jan 2009 04:38:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: J http://blog.ngedit.com/2005/08/10/next-steps-screenshot/#comment-59 J Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:27:07 +0000 http://blog.ngedit.com/2005/08/10/next-steps-screenshot/#comment-59 Dimitris, I also use keyboard navigation for menus, and try to minimize mouse use. But there are quite many people out there who do use the mouse, even a lot. I have to cater for both things in NGEDIT. Andrey, hmm... I did use Borland C some time (BC3.1, I think), but I've hardly use it and I doubt the style is due to that. What elements make you think so? Would be nice to comment on that... sfsm - I guess you're refering to ViEmu. Those two elements are the clear improvements to ViEmu. Full command line support is probably quite a lot of work, although I'll have to investigate. I use it somewhat, but I'm not the kind of user who knows all ex commands by heart. I'll probably get to that on some time, although it also depends on how sales of ViEmu evolve. I find it really hard to estimate the size of the market ViEmu is targetting (that is, the number of, as you put it, "vi perverts" who use VS). Dimitris, I also use keyboard navigation for menus, and try to minimize mouse use. But there are quite many people out there who do use the mouse, even a lot. I have to cater for both things in NGEDIT.

Andrey, hmm… I did use Borland C some time (BC3.1, I think), but I’ve hardly use it and I doubt the style is due to that. What elements make you think so? Would be nice to comment on that…

sfsm - I guess you’re refering to ViEmu. Those two elements are the clear improvements to ViEmu. Full command line support is probably quite a lot of work, although I’ll have to investigate. I use it somewhat, but I’m not the kind of user who knows all ex commands by heart. I’ll probably get to that on some time, although it also depends on how sales of ViEmu evolve. I find it really hard to estimate the size of the market ViEmu is targetting (that is, the number of, as you put it, “vi perverts” who use VS).

]]> By: sfsm http://blog.ngedit.com/2005/08/10/next-steps-screenshot/#comment-58 sfsm Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:39:26 +0000 http://blog.ngedit.com/2005/08/10/next-steps-screenshot/#comment-58 You have the makings of a good product for vi "preverts" like me. Two items that I would like before I put my money down: - must support regular expressions in the incremental search mode - implement ex editor functionality (i.e. %s/^foo/bar/g) in the "command line" mode Wish you the best.... You have the makings of a good product for vi “preverts” like me. Two items that I would like before I put my money down:

- must support regular expressions in the incremental search mode

- implement ex editor functionality (i.e. %s/^foo/bar/g) in the “command line” mode

Wish you the best….

]]> By: Andrey Butov http://blog.ngedit.com/2005/08/10/next-steps-screenshot/#comment-57 Andrey Butov Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:04:56 +0000 http://blog.ngedit.com/2005/08/10/next-steps-screenshot/#comment-57 Your coding style brings back old memories. Did you used to code using a Borland product at some point (in particular, C++ Builder)? :) Your coding style brings back old memories. Did you used to code using a Borland product at some point (in particular, C++ Builder)? :)

]]> By: Dimitris Giannitsaros http://blog.ngedit.com/2005/08/10/next-steps-screenshot/#comment-56 Dimitris Giannitsaros Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:35:43 +0000 http://blog.ngedit.com/2005/08/10/next-steps-screenshot/#comment-56 I don't use toolbar buttons either, unless no shortcut exists. Even then I prefer to navigate the menu (e.g. Alt-F, then "p" to print). In my opinion the whole point of using a single editor for most things, is so that you can learn all shortcuts and never use the mouse. I don’t use toolbar buttons either, unless no shortcut exists. Even then I prefer to navigate the menu (e.g. Alt-F, then “p” to print).

In my opinion the whole point of using a single editor for most things, is so that you can learn all shortcuts and never use the mouse.

]]> By: J http://blog.ngedit.com/2005/08/10/next-steps-screenshot/#comment-55 J Thu, 11 Aug 2005 00:26:05 +0000 http://blog.ngedit.com/2005/08/10/next-steps-screenshot/#comment-55 JD, you are especially right with the cut icon, which is hardly identifiable (I think the other two more or less are). I think the regular "cut" icon (skinny 1-pixel-wide scissors) is probably the ugliest in any toolbar. Yes, some more work is necessary on the icons - and on many other areas. Colin, thanks! GPF, thanks - anyway, NGEDIT is *not* targeted at vi fans. vi emulation is there from so early because, in order to test it myself, I absolutely needed it! Regarding toolbars - I always hide it myself in, for example, Visual Studio. I'm a kinda heavy keyboard user. Even many non-vi programmers use the toolbar really little. And the icons shown in the screenshot are for the functions for which most people know the shortcut (Control-N, -O, -S, -X, -C, -V, -Z, -Y are almost idiomatic for new, open, save, etc). Although I've seen C++ programmers who worked with me use almost exclusively the *mouse* for everything! JD, you are especially right with the cut icon, which is hardly identifiable (I think the other two more or less are). I think the regular “cut” icon (skinny 1-pixel-wide scissors) is probably the ugliest in any toolbar. Yes, some more work is necessary on the icons - and on many other areas.

Colin, thanks!

GPF, thanks - anyway, NGEDIT is *not* targeted at vi fans. vi emulation is there from so early because, in order to test it myself, I absolutely needed it!

Regarding toolbars - I always hide it myself in, for example, Visual Studio. I’m a kinda heavy keyboard user. Even many non-vi programmers use the toolbar really little. And the icons shown in the screenshot are for the functions for which most people know the shortcut (Control-N, -O, -S, -X, -C, -V, -Z, -Y are almost idiomatic for new, open, save, etc).

Although I’ve seen C++ programmers who worked with me use almost exclusively the *mouse* for everything!

]]> By: General Protection Fault http://blog.ngedit.com/2005/08/10/next-steps-screenshot/#comment-54 General Protection Fault Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:01:25 +0000 http://blog.ngedit.com/2005/08/10/next-steps-screenshot/#comment-54 Looks nice. And I wouldn't worry about toolbars too much. I doubt many vi users use clipboard *buttons* instead of hotkeys or registers. Looks nice.

And I wouldn’t worry about toolbars too much. I doubt many vi users use clipboard *buttons* instead of hotkeys or registers.

]]> By: Colin http://blog.ngedit.com/2005/08/10/next-steps-screenshot/#comment-53 Colin Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:43:52 +0000 http://blog.ngedit.com/2005/08/10/next-steps-screenshot/#comment-53 Very nice looking screenshot. And it looks practical! Very nice looking screenshot. And it looks practical!

]]> By: JD http://blog.ngedit.com/2005/08/10/next-steps-screenshot/#comment-52 JD Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:43:16 +0000 http://blog.ngedit.com/2005/08/10/next-steps-screenshot/#comment-52 Excuse me, but your cut/copy/paste icons are not very easily identifiable. I think the same applies to New/Open/Save icons but they are somewhat more identifiable than other three. My 2 cents. I am sure by the time you are ready to deliever the editor, it will have it all beautified! :) JD Excuse me, but your cut/copy/paste icons are not very easily identifiable. I think the same applies to New/Open/Save icons but they are somewhat more identifiable than other three. My 2 cents. I am sure by the time you are ready to deliever the editor, it will have it all beautified! :)

JD

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