Comments on: First baby steps of ViEmu in Visual Studio 2010 http://blog.ngedit.com/2009/06/15/first-baby-steps-of-viemu-in-visual-studio-2010/ A blog on the development of the NGEDIT text editor Fri, 10 Sep 2010 01:17:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: Jon http://blog.ngedit.com/2009/06/15/first-baby-steps-of-viemu-in-visual-studio-2010/#comment-271336 Jon Mon, 24 Aug 2009 16:36:12 +0000 http://blog.ngedit.com/2009/06/15/first-baby-steps-of-viemu-in-visual-studio-2010/#comment-271336 Tux, thanks so much for the kind comment. Naturally I agree with your views and I hope vi/vim will have a long life, even as a product only for those "in-the-know", thanks at least in part to my efforts! Tux, thanks so much for the kind comment. Naturally I agree with your views and I hope vi/vim will have a long life, even as a product only for those “in-the-know”, thanks at least in part to my efforts!

]]> By: tux. http://blog.ngedit.com/2009/06/15/first-baby-steps-of-viemu-in-visual-studio-2010/#comment-270368 tux. Wed, 19 Aug 2009 03:55:47 +0000 http://blog.ngedit.com/2009/06/15/first-baby-steps-of-viemu-in-visual-studio-2010/#comment-270368 Hi, I just want to say thanks for holding the flag for Vim these days. Although all these commands have a "learning curve"; well, so does Windows. So what? ViEmu really improves my efficiency when I'm developing in C++. I wish more people would know about this instead of just giving me a weird look when they see me typing strange commands into a boring black window... Keep up the good work. :) Hi,

I just want to say thanks for holding the flag for Vim these days. Although all these commands have a “learning curve”; well, so does Windows. So what?

ViEmu really improves my efficiency when I’m developing in C++. I wish more people would know about this instead of just giving me a weird look when they see me typing strange commands into a boring black window…

Keep up the good work. :)

]]> By: Jon http://blog.ngedit.com/2009/06/15/first-baby-steps-of-viemu-in-visual-studio-2010/#comment-261732 Jon Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:43:37 +0000 http://blog.ngedit.com/2009/06/15/first-baby-steps-of-viemu-in-visual-studio-2010/#comment-261732 Thanks for the kind comment. About the worries about Microsoft: they're porting everything they can to C#, I think that's the solution. For the NT boot loader, they'll be able to hire disgruntled Linux kernel devs, and for the .NET VM, they'll be able to snatch Miguel de Icaza or his team :) Now seriously, I really think C++ is too low level for apps development, it was only an accident of history that it was used for native apps development and with MFC for people who wanted to get more power than VB, and now they've been able to migrate all of them, and Java programmers, to C#. Also, for the sake of correctness, native C++ *does* have Intellisense, it's only the .NET variant of C++ (C++/CLI) that gets the bad treatment. It seems nobody in the right mind uses C++ to code for the .NET VM. Thanks for the kind comment. About the worries about Microsoft: they’re porting everything they can to C#, I think that’s the solution. For the NT boot loader, they’ll be able to hire disgruntled Linux kernel devs, and for the .NET VM, they’ll be able to snatch Miguel de Icaza or his team :)

Now seriously, I really think C++ is too low level for apps development, it was only an accident of history that it was used for native apps development and with MFC for people who wanted to get more power than VB, and now they’ve been able to migrate all of them, and Java programmers, to C#.

Also, for the sake of correctness, native C++ *does* have Intellisense, it’s only the .NET variant of C++ (C++/CLI) that gets the bad treatment. It seems nobody in the right mind uses C++ to code for the .NET VM.

]]> By: Nick Hebb http://blog.ngedit.com/2009/06/15/first-baby-steps-of-viemu-in-visual-studio-2010/#comment-261666 Nick Hebb Tue, 16 Jun 2009 07:45:27 +0000 http://blog.ngedit.com/2009/06/15/first-baby-steps-of-viemu-in-visual-studio-2010/#comment-261666 Hey Jon, nice to see you're making progress. > C++ is some kind of second class citizen in the .NET world. > For example, there is no Intellisense support for C++/CLI > in VS 2010. It kind of makes you wonder whether Microsoft is eating their young. Where do they plan on getting the next generation of C++ coders to maintain Windows, Office, and their other core, money-making products? Hey Jon, nice to see you’re making progress.

> C++ is some kind of second class citizen in the .NET world.
> For example, there is no Intellisense support for C++/CLI
> in VS 2010.

It kind of makes you wonder whether Microsoft is eating their young. Where do they plan on getting the next generation of C++ coders to maintain Windows, Office, and their other core, money-making products?

]]> By: Jon http://blog.ngedit.com/2009/06/15/first-baby-steps-of-viemu-in-visual-studio-2010/#comment-261554 Jon Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:06:39 +0000 http://blog.ngedit.com/2009/06/15/first-baby-steps-of-viemu-in-visual-studio-2010/#comment-261554 OJ, I will indeed implement a WPF-view based command line later, but for the first release, a 10-minute-job SetStatusBar() should be workable. Better have a more steady stream of releases than a big one that requires many months. Thanks for the kind comments and the offering to help out! I'll definitely be grateful for early testing, but not just yet, it's too rough! - Jon OJ, I will indeed implement a WPF-view based command line later, but for the first release, a 10-minute-job SetStatusBar() should be workable. Better have a more steady stream of releases than a big one that requires many months.

Thanks for the kind comments and the offering to help out! I’ll definitely be grateful for early testing, but not just yet, it’s too rough!

- Jon

]]> By: OJ http://blog.ngedit.com/2009/06/15/first-baby-steps-of-viemu-in-visual-studio-2010/#comment-261540 OJ Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:58:03 +0000 http://blog.ngedit.com/2009/06/15/first-baby-steps-of-viemu-in-visual-studio-2010/#comment-261540 Jon, Great post mate. Awesome to hear that the MS dudes are keen to help and are putting the time aside to talk to you. So they should! Excited to hear that you're making progress on the integration with the new IDE. Saw via twitter that you're having issues getting the taskbar stuff to behave like the old version of VS did. Why not instead look into implementing a WPF "window" that contains the commands? Dealing with the status bar would go away and you've have total control over the input/visualisation/etc as a result? IMHO, it could be a much nicer option that just using the status bar. Again, good luck with the dev. Give me a shout on Twitter if you're looking for beta or alpha testers. I'm more than happy to help. Cheers OJ Jon,

Great post mate. Awesome to hear that the MS dudes are keen to help and are putting the time aside to talk to you. So they should!

Excited to hear that you’re making progress on the integration with the new IDE. Saw via twitter that you’re having issues getting the taskbar stuff to behave like the old version of VS did. Why not instead look into implementing a WPF “window” that contains the commands? Dealing with the status bar would go away and you’ve have total control over the input/visualisation/etc as a result?

IMHO, it could be a much nicer option that just using the status bar.

Again, good luck with the dev. Give me a shout on Twitter if you’re looking for beta or alpha testers. I’m more than happy to help.

Cheers
OJ

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